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Wiskey44	Exclusive Rule S5.9 question	Lead	[-]
Posts: 16 (07/06/08 20:40:22) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None Hi, I have a question on Exclusive rule S5.9 (1st Airborne and 82nd Airborne Division Non-Formation Command). It first says that "1st Airborne Division Units are considered in command if they are within Command Range of any 1st Airborne Division Leader and not just their Formation Leader". However, then at the end of that paragraph it says that "..a 1st Airborne Division Unit that is out of its Formation Leaders command Range (but within the Command Range of another 1st Airborne Division Leader) does not become active when its Formation Activation Chit is drawn; nor does it become Active if the Formation Activation Chit of the other 1st Airborne Division Leader is drawn." The wording confuses me a bit. So according to this, a 1st Airborne unit can be in command if within command range of any 1st Airborne Division Leader but is not activated if the respective formation chit is pulled nor if the other leaders formation activation chit is pulled in the same division. So does this mean that the unit can not execute any actions if the direct command chit is pulled or any secondary actions if a Divisional Activation Chit is pulled? But yet, they are still in command because it can trace a command back to any formation leader in its division? Or, Can they still perform actions because they are considered "in command" if a Direct Command Chit is pulled or perform secondary actions if a Division Activation Chit is pulled, but cannot perform any actions when the formation chit is pulled because it is not "in command" with its respective Divisional Formation Leader? Also, how is this interpreted while executing the current Divisional Formation Action Chit that is currently in play. If at the time when the Formation Chit was pulled the current unit was "in command" of its proper and respective divisional leader but, during the course of its movement finds itself out of command but in command to a different formation leader in the same division, can it stil execute a secondary action? Can some one help clarify, how this rule is interpreted? Thanks
nrichard9		#1	[-]
Posts: 92 (07/07/08 04:09:29) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	If a Unit of the 1st AB is in range of any of the 1st AB Leaders, it is considered to be in Command. If you are tracing command to a "non-native" Leader, anytime you'd normally spend one Command Point (pass a TQC, perform a second action) it would cost 2 command points rather than the usual 1. When a Formation Activation chit is played, all Units of that Formation activate (it does not matter if they are Command or not). If a Unit wishes to perform a Second Action, it costs one Command Point if it is currently tracing Command to its native Leader, or 2 Command Points if tracing to its non-native Leader. If it cant trace to any Leader, then it cant perform a second action. One thing to keep in mind is that you determine if a Unit is In Command the moment the Unit tries to do something where it needs to be In Command.
MButtazoni		#2	[-]
Posts: 4 (07/07/08 05:00:18) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	this has confused me too. the rule states: "..a 1st Airborne Division Unit that is out of its Formation Leaders command Range (but within the Command Range of another 1st Airborne Division Leader) does not become active when its Formation Activation Chit is drawn; nor does it become Active if the Formation Activation Chit of the other 1st Airborne Division Leader is drawn." The above seems a harsh exception to the activation rules but your answer: When a Formation Activation chit is played, all Units of that Formation activate (it does not matter if they are Command or not). seems to indiciate im reading the rule wrong?
dcal		#3	[-]
Posts: 9 (07/07/08 05:12:04) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	So... Division Activation = Any unit of that Division whether in Command or not may activate. Formation Activation = Any unit of that Formation whether in Command or not may activate. To activate a second time in either of the above situations or with a Direct Command chit the units must either be in Command of: Native Leader = 1 Command point or Non-Native Leader = 2 Command points. Unless American unit and both the Leader and American Unit are both in a town, city, fortified, strongpoint or observation point. In which case they are also in Command. A Non-Native Leader would also prevent the -1 TQM.
nrichard9		#4	[-]
Posts: 92 (07/07/08 07:41:58) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	MButtazoni wrote: this has confused me too. the rule states: "..a 1st Airborne Division Unit that is out of its Formation Leaders command Range (but within the Command Range of another 1st Airborne Division Leader) does not become active when its Formation Activation Chit is drawn; nor does it become Active if the Formation Activation Chit of the other 1st Airborne Division Leader is drawn." The above seems a harsh exception to the activation rules but your answer: When a Formation Activation chit is played, all Units of that Formation activate (it does not matter if they are Command or not). seems to indiciate im reading the rule wrong? Make sure you get the errata for that rule: In the first paragraph, change the third sentence to read "Not withstanding this rule, a 1st Airborne Division Unit that is in the Command Range of another 1st Airborne Division Leader does not become Active if the Formation Activation Chit of the other 1st Airborne Division Leader is drawn."
nrichard9		#5	[-]
Posts: 92 (07/07/08 07:42:56) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	dcal wrote: So... Division Activation = Any unit of that Division whether in Command or not may activate. Formation Activation = Any unit of that Formation whether in Command or not may activate. To activate a second time in either of the above situations or with a Direct Command chit the units must either be in Command of: Native Leader = 1 Command point or Non-Native Leader = 2 Command points. Unless American unit and both the Leader and American Unit are both in a town, city, fortified, strongpoint or observation point. In which case they are also in Command. A Non-Native Leader would also prevent the -1 TQM. Looks right to me.

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